M Gato Preto in the interview to M Dorado available here at 2 minutes:

M Gato Preto: «[..] because in 61 there was a party here [..] in Rio de Janeiro [..]. When we came here to Rio to the Kibon party on the foot of the Mangueira hill [..] and stayed for some 15 days, made a party. This was already in 61, when I came with M Pastinha. And the time there was needed for him to know that I had it in me. I was already the contramestre of the bateria.»

M Gildo Alfinete in M Zoião, 1999: «Later we traveled to Rio de Janeiro, participated in the great festival of Kybon, where approximately 40 thousand people watched the festival in Maracanãzinho and to our capoeira Angola presentation, which was a show. In this trip there were Mestre Pastinha, João Grande, João Pequeno, Mestre Gato, me (Gildo Alfinete), Roberto Satanás, Firmino, Albertino da Hora and Valdomiro.»